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The Fedora Server WG is seriously contemplating changing the naming convention for its distribution media.
We have developed a naming convention that we would like to follow. It can be found here.
As we began our research in preparation of s system-wide change proposal, we discovered two things: 1. The current naming convention has it's tentacles far and wide thought the distribution generation processes, distribution processes and documentation. 2. The Fedora Server WG recognizes quite clearly that "we don't know what we don't know".
We are hopeful the Release Engineering team will assist in the early stages of acquiring the necessary knowledge to develop a cogent and complete system-wide change.
We need help in identifying all the areas within Fedora Project that would require change.
We need help in developing a detailed statement of work for each of the areas requiring change.
We would greatly appreciate it if the Release Engineering team would assign someone from the team to work with us and serve a "guide" for us as we attempt to complete the two above objectives.
I have been appointed as the point of contact for this effort.
We look forward to engaging with the Release Engineering team for this effort.
Metadata Update from @jnsamyak: - Issue tagged with: changes, investigation, meeting
I replied to your list post. I can copy that here? Or we can just discuss on the list.
Metadata Update from @patrikp: - Issue assigned to patrikp
I have taken the liberty of posting a response from Kevin Fenzi.
On Fri, May 10, 2024 at 10:16:55AM GMT, John W. Himpel wrote:
yeah.
We have developed a naming convention that we would like to follow. It can be found at: https://pagure.io/fedora-server/issue/126
ok. I have tried to sort of follow it, but haven't dug in deep yet.
As we began our research in preparation of s system-wide change proposal, we discovered two things: 1) The current naming convention has it's tentacles far and wide thought the distribution generation processes, distribution processes and documentation.
yes, renaming things is HARD. It requires changes to compose configurations, and in some cases changes to compose tooling if they don't support the name you want to use. It needs changes not only there, but in compose scripts, then in QA stuff, then in tools that look for images, then in websites to point to the right names and finally... users will have to adjust any tooling they have to download/test/consume things.
It's gonna be a long road. ;)
2) The Fedora Server WG recognizes quite clearly that "we don't know what we don't know".
Thats true for everyone. ;)
We are hopeful the Release Engineering team will assist in the early stages of acquiring the necessary knowledge to develop a cogent and complete system-wide change. Firstly, we need help in identifying all the areas within Fedora Project that would require change. Secondly, we need help in developing a detailed statement of work for each of the areas requiring change.
We can try, but releng is pretty overloaded/doesn't have too many spare resources.
Off the top of my head, places needing changes:
We would greatly appreciate if the Release Engineering team would assign someone from the team to work with us and serve a "guide" for us as we attempt to complete the two above objectives. I have been appointed as the point of contact for this effort. We look forward to engaging with the Release Engineering team for this effort.
We would greatly appreciate if the Release Engineering team would assign someone from the team to work with us and serve a "guide" for us as we attempt to complete the two above objectives.
We can discuss it in our next weekly meeting and see if we can see someone who can help.
kevin
@patrikp: Is KIWI currently able to generate/create an installation media image. i.e. One that can be used by anaconda to install an image from scratch? What is the best method for communicating questions to you?
I am not 100% sure what you mean by 'installation media image'. The current 'dvd' and 'netinstall/boot' iso images?
Those are currently created via pungi calling lorax. I don't know that kiwi can make them.
Possibly on matrix you could meet up?
Best way to handle it would probably be to use this ticket for questions whenever you run into issues. That way all of us can see it and chime in.
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