#174 Addressing the repeated violation of Fedora's Code of Conduct
Closed: Fixed None Opened 5 years ago by strikerttd.

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'''Previously filed tickets:'''

https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/90
https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/91
https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/126
https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/150
https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/168
https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/169

'''Personal logs:'''

[Wednesday, November 19, 2014] [02:02:05 PM] <EvilBob> Byr0n: The world does not revolve around you

[Thursday, December 11, 2014] [11:58:37 AM] <EvilBob> I've no time for bullsh!t like this... Best of luck to you.

[Monday, December 15, 2014] [02:42:29 PM] <EvilBob> alipoor90: Sorry, I can't help you with your questions because you are from an embargoed nation...

[Monday, February 02, 2015] [11:46:27 AM] <EvilBob> Why suck the life out of the community on the simple stuff?

[Sunday, February 15, 2015] [09:32:10 AM] <EvilBob> Read the man pages, learn to use the tools provided. Quit sucking the life out of the community, start helping yourself.

[Monday, March 16, 2015] [12:24:34 PM] <EvilBob> muep_: Then you feel free to step the f up and help them

[Monday, March 16, 2015] [12:53:36 PM] <EvilBob> breadmonster: I'm walking away, I've no interest in even spectating your train wreck at this point.

[Monday, March 16, 2015] [12:54:14 PM] <EvilBob> breadmonster: I suggest you read what I posted and follow the F through.

[Monday, March 16, 2015] [12:55:33 PM] <EvilBob> breadmonster: These other two... I just have no interest in being involved where they are.

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Some of the actions of EvilBob (Bob Jensen) within #fedora* continue to be contrary to [https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct Fedora's Code of Conduct] and to how, as an Ambassador, he promotes himself as following [https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Foundations the four foundations]. I believe to remedy this, the following actions should be taken:

  1. Make Bob Jensen aware that his negative remarks and attitude reflect upon both the Fedora Community and the partnership with Red Hat and that he should refrain from displaying himself in this manner, or:

  2. Set a clear understanding in the IRC channels (specifically #fedora) for those who come seeking friendly help for what they should expect as actual behavior from the Ambassadors who reside within said channels.

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Just for the record, I am not an Ambassador, in fact I am of the opinion that the Ambassador program should be dismantled. However that is far beyond the scope of this SIG.

I was not aware that you were not an Ambassador. If that changes the relevance of this ticket, I would like to know.

There are many things that I believe you and your "witch hunt" buddies are unaware of. Feel free to carry on, as I have said before, I have no interest being involved where you are.

I am not on a "witch hunt", Bob. I merely would like for you to stop commenting towards people the way that you have been. I have had a strong tie with Fedora since I wrote my first program on it at 12, but feel as though you are taking some personal anger out on those who you try to assist within this channel.

Simply put, there is no need for you to act as you do since you are not obligated to help at all. I want people to feel welcomed in Fedora's IRC channels, not afraid to ask simple questions when they see you enter the room.

"Please" stop acting towards people the way you act as I have pointed out in the summary of this ticket.

Every 6 months or so your buddies crawl out from under their rocks and try to start crap. I've no interest in entertaining any of you.

Half of the ops will not even do their "job" because of your friends. No time to deal with the BS.

If a user can not or will not follow simple instructions, I have no time for them. They become "not my problem" at that point.

Again, feel free to carry on, I have no interest being involved where you are.

Bob, can you explain what you mean? I am not trying to "start something". Previously, I was going to meet with someone in private to discuss this without making it public, but have since decided to go the official route.

What do you mean by:
Half of the ops will not even do their "job" because of your friends. No time to deal with the BS.

Also, if people do not want to follow instructions, it does not mean you need to make negative remarks towards them. Simply stop altogether. Negativity helps no one.

I am opening this ticket now because after repeated meetings to discuss the tickets I linked, nothing is happening to resolve it. You are a very helpful person in the channels that Fedora's name is on. If you would stop with the negative remarks, things would be perfect.

Just so you know....
Taken from the channel FAQ

Support for US Embargoed Nations

Unfortunately, Red Hat cannot provide Fedora software, documentation or support to individuals in Embargoed Nations, because of US export law.

I other words Bob has every right to refuse support to an embargoed country.

Replying to [comment:7 dp67]:

Just so you know....
Taken from the channel FAQ

Support for US Embargoed Nations

Unfortunately, Red Hat cannot provide Fedora software, documentation or support to individuals in Embargoed Nations, because of US export law.

I other words Bob has every right to refuse support to an embargoed country.

Bob has every right to refuse support to anyone, but this information you have posted was changed in a recent ticket to reflect Red Hat directly, IIRC. That ticket can be found here:

https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/157

I do not think Bob is a Red Hat employee, therefore, the statement you have quoted does not apply to him (according to the statement), unless I misunderstand it. But, as I said, he has the right not to help anyone at all, if he wishes.

my 2 cents (or the like):

Bob: I don't see any evidence that this reporter is someone who is part of any group with a vendetta, they simply seem to be someone who wants you to be more polite when disengaging with a user you don't wish to help. I suppose you are thinking that because a user that was part of that group also chimed in at the same time.

Some of the snippets I am not sure I see a problem with, in particular the embargo one seems fine to me. He's just saying that he doesn't wish to help and thats why.

The ones with F are not definitely not following the spirit of the no cursing rule, even if they are avoiding the actual curse words.

Part of the issue is that when disengaging with a user, you need to say "I'm not able/willing to help you anymore, please continue with others here" and then... actually stop engaging with them. It seems like in the March 16th log, the user continued to ask EvilBob questions when he already said he wasn't wanting to help and then things escalated. Of course he could have just ignored these and the user may have gone on to others who wished to help them.

Adding meeting keyword for meeting tomorrow at 17:00UTC in #fedora-meeting.

So, I have been bad about keeping this ticket updated. Sorry about that.

Last week we have no quorum (only myself and one other non-voting member showed up).

The week before we did discuss this quite a lot and in fact used up the entire hour of our meeting timeslot. In that meeting EvilBob agreed to stop using redacted type swear words in channel. However, he didn't see a problem with how he was disengaging from people he no longer wished to help.

So, I see the following possible options here:

  • Striker (the filer of this ticket) noted that he would persue this via other channels. I assume via the CWG and/or council. If he likes he could do that and just close this ticket out.

  • If voting members want to propose some kind of ban or censure, they would have to do so and we could vote on it. So far I have seen very little from voting members on this.

  • We could discuss it further and try and convince EvilBob to be more positive.

  • We could just do nothing in the absense of votes/proposals.

I'm going to be in another meeting tomorrow and will be unable to run an irc support sig one. Feedback or other ideas welcome in ticket.

Replying to [comment:11 kevin]:

  • Striker (the filer of this ticket) noted that he would persue this via other channels. I assume via the CWG and/or council. If he likes he could do that and just close this ticket out.

I do not see any current reason to keep this ticket open for discussion. After the meeting that this ticket was discussed in, Bob's behavior towards the users in #fedora has improved greatly. Unless mistreatment surfaces again, I will keep this ticket in a closed state.

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