As discussed at https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/fedora-netboot-images-improvements/82283/6 , we should not list the Server netinst at the top of https://alt.fedoraproject.org/ . I think its placement there and the "Note: You can select different editions of Fedora to install with this netinstall. You are not limited to Server edition only." note date back to the early fedora.next days, when we did not build an Everything netinst at all (for e.g., in Fedora 22), so the Server netinst was the only available network installer image and we told people to also use it as a 'generic' image.
Since F24, we build an Everything netinst, and it should be the recommended generic installer image. It makes no sense to list Server netinst higher up and put a scary "Experts only!" tag on the Everything netinst - the experience of using them is almost identical, they both offer you the choice of every possible package set. The differences are only:
Point 3 especially is a problem for a generic netinst: people probably don't expect to get xfs filesystems and a small root partition on a 'generic' install, which is what Server netinst uses. For this reason we should prioritize the Everything image over it.
The Server netinst doesn't need to be listed on alt.fp.o at all, as it is already shown at https://fedoraproject.org/server/download/ . So overall I recommend we drop the Server netinst from alt.fp.o entirely, move the Everything netinst to the top, and drop the "Experts only!" tag from it.
I would like to strongly second this proposal from the Fedora Server Edition Working Group's point of view. Server NetInstall no longer suits the page alt.fp.o. The change should be made as soon as possible, and especially already for the current release. Nobody will miss Server NetInstall here, but it generates misunderstandings and frustrations.
+1.
In addition, we could discuss even placing the EV netinstall image to the Workstation download page.
Also it could be worth integrating the content of alt.fp.o into a separate, new section on the new page, and then drop alt.fp.o with its now legacy design entirely.
and, is there consensus on the name of the server netinstall? Since the launch of the new website it is called "netboot". Is that what we really would like to call it? If yes, the iso filename could be changed in the future, which differentiates it more from the other netinstall image.
The Server netinst doesn't need to be listed on alt.fp.o at all, as it is already shown at https://fedoraproject.org/server/download/ . So overall I recommend we drop the Server netinst from alt.fp.o entirely, move the Everything netinst to the top, and drop the "Experts only!" tag from it. +1. In addition, we could discuss even placing the EV netinstall image to the Workstation download page.
I don't support that idea. Everything is not considered a desired way to deploy Workstation by the Workstation team; their intended deployment method is the live ISO.
Hasn't it already been redesigned? I don't think it used to look the way it looks now.
That seems beyond the topic of this ticket, since this ticket is about the contents of alt.fp.o and your note is about the content of https://fedoraproject.org/server/download/ . Maybe file a new ticket? I agree that 'netinst' or 'network install' is a more useful name than 'netboot'.
Thank you for all your comments on this. We all agree that the current alt.fp-o page is outdated, and we are currently working to get this page redesigned and integrated into the main fedoraproject website.
The new replacement page ticket is https://gitlab.com/fedora/design/team/wwwfpo-2022/-/issues/63 and you are all welcome to chime in if you want something specific added to that new page.
As already noted in this thread, the server netinst is on the new server page (https://fedoraproject.org/server/download/) and the Everything netinst has a dedicated download page, but not listed anywhere yet (https://fedoraproject.org/everything/download/).
As for the current alt page, and since we are resource-limited, I would prefer to focus on the new page instead of spending time on something that is going away soon. That being said, adamwill's recommendation of removing the server netinstall and moving the everything block on top seems easy enough to be implemented. So I'll work on that.
Extra note: I changed the netboot name to Network Install on the main site (https://gitlab.com/fedora/websites-apps/fedora-websites/fedora-websites-3.0/-/commit/ffb29f5a59f9dbc805506072c18c20a95a984eb8). If you have other suggestions like that, please open a ticket on the new website repository.
Metadata Update from @darknao: - Issue close_status updated to: complete - Issue status updated to: Closed (was: Open)
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