#31 Flock, 2017 Video for and from Diversity team
Closed: Complete 5 years ago Opened 6 years ago by amsharma.

Flock will the one of best opportunity to collect some more pictures for the second diversity video.
Here is the place holder for the pictures - https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B_qTRRd-ksFfLUhmaDFmQ0wzVms
Me and @chhavi will be working on this, anyone who wants to join the effort is welcome.

This video can include, but not limited to -
1. We can cover our diversity workshop (small snippets)
2. We will try to gather all the women attendees of flock
3. Different moments

This ticket is a sub ticket of https://pagure.io/fedora-diversity/issue/9
We can have another video for FWD too, anyone who wants to take that up will be great.


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@amsharma Sounds like a good idea. :)

@bee2502 and I have been discussing a few more ideas, and we will come up with more solid outlines for this one.

@jflory7 we can use your camera and skills for this one.

@amsharma @chhavi I am more than willing to help lend a camera for this as well.

Also, I know there are a few people from Red Hat who want to create attendee interviews and generate content during Flock as well. I pinged back on the thread and linked to this issue since I thought it could be a great collaboration opportunity. I'm not sure if there are any firm plans yet on their side, but hopefully someone might be able to chime in here and clarify too. :grinning:

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@amsharma @chhavi I am more than willing to help lend a camera for this as well.
Also, I know there are a few people from Red Hat who want to create attendee interviews and generate content during Flock as well. I pinged back on the thread and linked to this issue since I thought it could be a great collaboration opportunity. I'm not sure if there are any firm plans yet on their side, but hopefully someone might be able to chime in here and clarify too. đŸ˜€

Thanks @jflory7 ofcourse we need your camera (I thought that goes without mentioning :p , kidding )
Can you please point me to the discussion going on for Red Hatters who are going to do it ?

Can you please point me to the discussion going on for Red Hatters who are going to do it ?

@amsharma It was just an email thread, not on a mailing list. I don't know if there are plans or not, but I know it was being discussed. Hopefully if folks are interested in collaborating, they will jump in and say so (I don't want to pull anyone in unless they are definitely interested in doing something during Flock). :smiley:

@chavvi what are the ideas, can we please discuss here in ticket, so that everyone can read and comment :)

This weekend, @chhavi, @bee2502, and I checked in on some ideas for the Flock video. We had a few ideas for different videos (some unrelated to Flock), so one of the goals of recording at Flock is to collect answers or snippets of video that we can use for other things in the future. Our raw notes are in this Etherpad.

Action items

  • jwf: Bring video cameras to Flock (the quantity of cameras that I have depends if the Flock planning team needs to use my cameras to record sessions)

Video ideas

Note for recording: Make sure to get correct spelling of name, FAS account, location, and contribution areas

  • Video 1: Ask attendees one generic question like "Why do you contribute to Fedora?" and make a compilation video of all answers
  • Video 2: Ask attendees to say hi to camera and introduce themselves
  • Video 3: Flock promotional / teaser (from Flock-specific questions)
  • Video 4: Individual interviews podcast / compilation (like last year's Fedora Women Day videos)

Questions for interviews

This is a first draft, so we can always add / edit / revise these before Flock.

  • About Fedora
    • How did you first learn about open source and Fedora?
    • What's your favorite tool / app in Fedora?
  • About Fedora community
    • In what areas do you contribute to Fedora?
    • Why do you contribute to Fedora?
    • What is your favorite part of the Fedora community?
    • What three words would you describe the Fedora community with?
    • [Maybe] What difficulties have you faced? How did you overcome them?
    • Whom do you admire/ who inspires you in Fedora community?
    • What should every newcomer know about?
  • Flock to Fedora
    • What's your favorite part of Flock?
    • What talk / workshop are you looking forward to / have attended?
    • Coolest swag item this year?
    • Place you will like next Flock to be?
    • What was the most exciting memory of meeting other Fedora contributors?
    • One tradition we should have at Flock?
    • What was something you didn't expect at Flock?
    • Did you sleep during Flock? ( :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye: )
  • Fun questions
    • Most creative IRC nick you've seen?
    • Coolest experience with Fedora community off the top of your head?
    • Do you have any crazy open source conference travel stories?

I love to take interviews. I would do some of them for sure (as time allows). We can try to do these interviews in front of Fedora banner to have relevant background.
Overall nice ideas. Just make sure from next time to publish the discussion timings and channel, so that interested folks can join the discussion. Thanks.

It was a pretty last minute thing, but we will keep everyone posted from next time @amsharma

It was a pretty last minute thing, but we will keep everyone posted from next time @amsharma

That will be good. Thanks.

@bee2502 @jflory7 since we got the interview videos. What is the next step here.
Anyone working to compile them? Let's have a discussion in next meeting.

@amsharma We have the videos, yes. We can try to review the content and come up with ideas for using the content. We'll need help from @chhavi and @bee2502 for compiling / editing the footage.

Will be happy to help with this one, with @bee2502 :)

@jflory7 Do we have a link somewhere to the videos. We will have to go through them to see what theme we can use to compile them.

@bee2502 @jonatoni and @chhavi will work together on this one. Thanks :)

@chhavi did you get the access to the videos?
@bee2502 @jonatoni and @chhavi gals, any progress here? Do we want to shoot some more during devconf, FOSDEM?

And yes.. DO we want to do something related to diversity in FOSDEM..like playing video or anything at Fedora booth? (need a separate ticket for that if I will have consent)

@chhavi said…
@jflory7 Do we have a link somewhere to the videos. We will have to go through them to see what theme we can use to compile them.

The videos are in my personal dropbox here. I'm okay with sharing this link in the ticket, but avoid sharing it widely outside of our team.

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Discussed in 2017-12-08 meeting.

Video issues, use transcripts for now

The videos are huge and not all of our members can download them. However, there are text transcripts available and we can use those to get a gist of what people are talking about. @chhavi noticed that some of them focus exclusively on Red Hat or how their Fedora desktop works, rather than the community.

We need to filter down the ones that are useful for us, and then we can download them and compile them into a video.

Identifying theme(s)

Our next step for this is identifying a theme (or themes) for the video based on the content we have. If there are similar trends between interviews we find useful, then we can try to make that the focus of our video and keep to a common theme.

@chhavi was going to work on this by the next meeting, but requested help on processing all of the transcripts. Transcripts are found here.

@chhavi @bee2502 Any progress on this? Maybe a better way to approach this is to assign a certain number of transcripts per team member (we ran out of time to do that in last week's meeting).

Hello :)

I went through all the transcripts. Phew, it took lonnnng, but I am quite happy with the content we got.
Here are some of the themes we can use

Themes we can use for the video

what OS you started out with
command line vs GUI
how would you describe open source to a beginner
why do you like Fedora as a community

We have some really amazing people from very varied fields speaking about what they ddo in Fedora and why they like it. So I thin our theme should be

What is Fedora + Why do you like Fedora as a community

They will talk about what they do in the community and why they like it. When compiled together, it will come out nicely

Action Items

  1. I have copy pasted the snippets, so it’s a bit messy. But I hope it gives a general idea. Please do leave feedback on the ticket, so we can go ahead and compile the video!
    Here is the [link] (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Fh0HCZeOhuDPZUlEQmwOZhb22_fGhxfnOIcwvOgggoE/edit?usp=sharing)
  2. If we want it ready for DevConf/FOSDEM, we should finalize the theme in the next meeting.

Cheers :)

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Hello, so I finally could manage to get up the first cut of the video up! Here is the link :D Please watch it, before giving your feedback on the following.
[link] (https://youtu.be/jWN0x4BCbH8)

note: Will decrease the background music a bit, it's a little loud now.
1. The length of the video is around 6 minutes, which I feel is a nice length. If we cut out the first part, where everyone is introducing themselves, we can get it down to 4 minutes.
2. I have so edited the video so that it does not get monotonous watching it at one go. Shuffling between people gives it a nice feel, I hope you agree.
3. The question can be reframed to a better one if you feel so.
4. We will have to contact people individually to make sure everyone is alright with us using this footage as we are. Also to confirm their spelling of name and subtitles. I took the ones I used from the transcripts.
5. On the last slide, who do we have to credit for the footage. Also, is it alright to have a Fedora logo all along at one corner of the video? Once we have that, I can better design the last and first slides.
6. There were some talks of making the video more accessible by adding captions in different languages to the video. Do we want to go there with this one?

@chhavi said…
Hello, so I finally could manage to get up the first cut of the video up! Here is the link :D Please watch it, before giving your feedback on the following. link

Let me preface this with "wow"! I'm so impressed with how these threaded together. It's also really eye-opening to me how similar so many answers were from the footage. I think this is a really powerful messaging opportunity.

I'd like to poke @mattdm and @bex to this specifically, because I think it's something they want to review too.

My feedback

Some things I noted while going through the video:

  • Name corrections:
    • Jonathan Eder => Jonathan Dieter
    • Mikey Polo => Mike DePaulo
    • Jona Azizi => Jona Azizaj
  • Kanika Murarka: Also add Fedora QA to subtitle?
  • Write Redhat as Red Hat
  • Lower audio on some individual interviews
    • Some speakers were especially loud, like Matt's first answer after introductions – normalizing the audio tracks as much as possible will make the video more pleasant
  • Cut the "Hello!" slide
    • Let's replace it by introducing Flock 2017 and make it clear that's where the interviews are coming from – some interviewees mention Flock, but someone outside of the community may not know what that means

Your questions

@chhavi said…
note: Will decrease the background music a bit, it's a little loud now.

+1. I was also going to suggest using different background music from our last video. I think it's a nice touch to use a different background track. Check out Incompetech for a lot of royalty-free music we could use.

@chhavi said…
1. The length of the video is around 6 minutes, which I feel is a nice length. If we cut out the first part, where everyone is introducing themselves, we can get it down to 4 minutes.

I liked the intros. I think six minutes is a good length.

@chhavi said…
5. On the last slide, who do we have to credit for the footage. Also, is it alright to have a Fedora logo all along at one corner of the video? Once we have that, I can better design the last and first slides.

I think a Fedora logo in a corner is a nice touch, but it might help to see a version too.

Dan Courcy and Casey Stegman of Red Hat provided the footage to us. I'm not sure what their team is. We should share a later version of the video with them for final review before publishing it (they requested to see what we came up with whenever we used the footage).

@chhavi said…
6. There were some talks of making the video more accessible by adding captions in different languages to the video. Do we want to go there with this one?

I think there are opportunities to reach out for captioning help, maybe especially in the l10n community. We can revisit captioning when we have a final draft of the video, pending any more feedback.

@chhavi This is amazing work, I love it.

Most of my comments have been written by others above (thank team!). Can you correct the spelling of my title, "Fedora Community Action And Impact Coordinator"

I noticed I end on an "umm" at around the 4 min mark. I don't think I saw anyone else do that, but it would be nice to back the cut up.

Eventually it would be great to subtitle this. Assuming we use a stock subtitling method, I assume the titles will land at the bottom. For that reason, should we shift the names and titles to the top of the screen? We could put the Fedora logo as others have mentioned in front of them.

Having seen the video my vote is for the stock Fedora logo.

@chhavi I just noticed you mentioned captioning the videos. Yes, we want to go there. I want to play this in China later this year. :)

Also, we need to do captions simply because at many shows you cannot hear the audio of videos over the crowd.

One more comment: Can we add a female speaker somewhere into the last two minutes of the video?

To the audio work - if you can't, i can fix it.

I would suggest looking at the audio waveforms in the timeline (of hopefully every decent video editor,) where you can easily spot the differences in volume, tweak it, then give it a careful "listen" from the beginning to the end.

(I like to normalize my video footage manually, i don't trust the systems.)

Awesome work with the video @chhavi!!
Is it possible to have a shorter version of this too - lesser questions and people with length around 1 min? I am thinking we could showcase it during talks or workshops . 6 mins might be too long for that. Definitely +1 for the captions(we might not have audio always.) and editing first and last slides.

Awesome work with the video @chhavi!!
Is it possible to have a shorter version of this too - lesser questions and people with length around 1 min? I am thinking we could showcase it during talks or workshops . 6 mins might be too long for that. Definitely +1 for the captions(we might not have audio always.) and editing first and last slides.

I am not opposed to multiple versions @bee2502 however I don't fully understand the context where something that short is useful. Can you give an example of where you would want to use it?

@bex We have a computer science club, a women in tech club and a few other groups at my university where I would probably give a small talk about using/contributing to open source, and/or specifically Fedora. It would be really awesome if I could show a video of Fedora contributors during the talk. A 6 min long video would be too long for the audience, while something around 1-2 mins is okay. I know we have the other video, but it is more specifically targeted towards female contributors in Fedora. Broadly speaking, I think the smaller version of the video can be used at Fedora release parties to get new contributors or during talks/events on contributing to open source and also, possibly Fedora Womens Day (along with the other video).

Let me know what you think about this.

It seems what you want @bee2502 is a specific question answered. I think it is reasonable to cut a video of just that but I wonder if it is easier to just have you start the video at the point you are concenred with and reduce the number of variations,.

I am not blocking this on this.

Hello :)
Here is the link to v2 of the video :p
https://youtu.be/TfPifs3-yBY

Some of the changes I made.
1. Changed the background soundtrack. Picked one from the resource @jflory7 mentioned. Thanks for that! (If someone doesn't like it, feel free to send me some other, I am very bad at picking these things)
2. Also tried adjusting speaker's voice levels manually as @rhea suggested. There is a lot of noise in some interviews, which is being a slight problem. If any specific person is exceptionally loud, let me know, please.
3. Fixed the typos in name and Red Hat.
4. Changed the starting and end slides, added a Fedora logo at bottom right.
5. Moved Jona towards the end as @bex requested!
6. The names will look very weird at the top. The translations can be at the bottom/top or also we have a lot of empty space on the right? I think that should do.
7. I am assuming Matt, Bex, Justin, and Jona will be fine using their footage. I have reached out to Kanika, Sumantro, and Pravin. If someone can ping/provide email ids of Mike, Rickey, Eden, Jonathan and Mike McGrath, we can request them as well.
8. Let's make this video available in a zip folder/compressed form for people to use at their talks. There might be times where network connectivity is not so good to play it on YouTube.

Phew, that's all. Cheers :)

Quick Update:
I have reached to all people in the video for permission, they are all good.
Hoping for some final round of feedback from the team now, so that we can go ahead and release it :)

@bee2502 @jflory7 Can we possibly mail the RedHat team as well with the video link. I think they requested to see what we come up with.

Discussed in 2018-03-02 meeting.

Feedback from Docs FAD

Since both mattdm and bex are in the same room as me (at the Docs FAD), they suggested to put the video up for review on the big screen and we had a larger audience of 10-12 people watch the video! The impression was positive overall with two specific points:

  • Titles underneath names: For the title blocks for each person, some of the titles are inconsistent – suggestions were…
    • Omit "Fedora" from byline, since it's pre-implied everyone was already a member of the Fedora community
    • Write the byline consistently across individuals, e.g. title, location
  • Four Foundations section:
    • Even though the bit about the Four Foundations was implied to a light humor (when someone couldn't remember the Foundations and another interviewee did), one person in our viewing said it made them uncomfortable because it seemed like the edit was to make fun of that person (from a neurodiversity point-of-view), even with it not being intended
    • Maybe it's better to modify how we present the Four Foundations in the video to do go back to back from Ricky, to me, and back to Ricky.

Feedback deadline

We put a deadline for any other feedback by Monday, March 9th. If anyone has any other comments, please leave them in this ticket before then so we can finalize any changes and move forward with publishing.

I was watching a video about freeride mountain biking event. I'd like to highlight the first 2 minutes of it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jABQoM4xzCY

The people do not say who they are and what do they do, but you can see under their name their "position" (in the case of the sport, it's the team they race for, different bike brands...) They simply talk about the thing the video is about. In relation to this Fedora video, should it be of similar length (1-ish minute) where the different people simply highlight that's Fedora about? Or have one longer version "about the people" (where they can talk about their activities) - that would be this video, and maybe this could be an idea for a new one?

Some similar suggestion was brought up in some meeting last week that I can't remember (was it the diversity one?) - it was about an invitation to contribute to the project for LATAM community

@rhea +1, That seems like a cool idea for the next video.

I am not yet sure if we want to target regional communities or not. We need to discuss that more with ambassadors from all regions if they would want such content. I think we should open a ticket in ambassadors pagure for each region linking to our previous videos and asking them what content would help them to engage and onboard diverse communities. @amsharma @jflory7 @x3mboy @jonatoni What do you think?

Hi,

After making the above suggested changes, here is hopefully, the final version :)
Primarily fixing the titles and removing that part.

https://youtu.be/Wm-wQCl3jBI

@rhea I saw the biking video you shared. I do agree we can shoot some overview clips of the venue/events and better edit the videos. I have some footage of Flock, but it is not that great a quality to be used. In future, maybe we should start collecting footage of our events to be used in such videos to give a better overview to our audience.

@jflory7, I guess you will know better what to do next with it. Let me know how I should send you the raw files!

I do agree we can shoot some overview clips of the venue/events and better edit the videos.

That is not what i said, meant, or tried to show. I was talking about the first two minutes where people talked about something where that something can be fedora project. Nothing event specific.

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@chhavi said…
@jflory7, I guess you will know better what to do next with it. Let me know how I should send you the raw files!

Whatever is easiest! A Dropbox or file-hosting service would work. You can email me a link to it and I'll work on processing the video. Thanks for the quick turnaround on edits again!

Okay, the video is finally up and published!

https://youtu.be/4gwRPetwUYs

Sorry for dragging my feet here. Thanks @chhavi for your time and effort here. :grinning: Finally going to close this ticket as complete!

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I think it would be a nice idea to publish a CommBlog or Magazine article about this! I suggested Magazine because these videos are also aimed towards a audience beyond Fedora. And then we can share those posts over ambassadors mailing lists with details on where they can find them for events. After that, we can close this ticket! Sorry @jflory7

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@bee2502 Maybe it would be easier to file a new ticket for either a CommBlog and Magazine article. There are less barriers to publishing and getting content up soon on the CommBlog than the Magazine.

If we write for the Magazine, we should follow the writing guidelines and first write a pitch for approval.

It may be easier to assign this work in a new ticket since this one is almost a year old with nearly 40 comments.

Since we are already late with publishing this for the first video, I don't think a bit more delay will matter much. Here is the draft for pitch:

Summary: Get to know the community behind Fedora!
Description: The purpose of this article would be to highlight the two recently published fedora community videos as well as to showcase D&I in Fedora community. The secondary goals are to get new users and contributors to Fedora. The flow of the article would be as follows:

Introduction to different subprojects in Fedora and how they are tied together
Introducing the two community videos
Link to download and install Fedora for interested new users
Link to whatcanidoforfedora.org for interested new contributors

We can have feedback on this in today's meeting and send the pitch to Magazine ML accordingly. I can take up the task to write the post.

@bee2502 I think the pitch only needs to emphasize the videos. Since the Fedora Magazine is the target, we are already writing to people who are likely using Fedora. I don't think we need to mention how to download / install Fedora, but we can include a short call-to-action at the end to point them along to contributing.

We could also slip in a pointer to the Join SIG there – I'm sure @ankursinha and @x3mboy would appreciate that too. :grin:

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WIll send the pitch to Magazine by tonight. However, if anybody is interested in writing this post - I would appreciate the help. The meeting tag is just for an update + to look for help

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I am sorry I couldn’t do this. I propose that we do it after FLOCK 2018 together with the content we generate from there.

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WIll send the pitch to Magazine by tonight. However, if anybody is interested in writing this post - I would appreciate the help. The meeting tag is just for an update + to look for help

I'm going to close this ticket as complete since the original task was completed five months ago. For any Flock 2018 follow-up, we can coordinate this in #69. :clapper:

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