I agree that Documents is in a bit of sorry state in terms of attention (I filed that linked regression).

Has the possibility of it being dropped by Fedora been raised with upstream? Might give someone the motivation to give it the bit of love it needs to get it into a good enough state.

Books is basically a "view" of Documents, and it would be nice to have a working e-reader that fits in with the rest of GNOME - all it needs is a fix of the above regression and sensible handling of page zoom (currently zooms to width but switches pages left-> right :J) - having its parent gnome-documents dropped from Fedora's default set would likely cause more stagnation.

Has the possibility of it being dropped by Fedora been raised with upstream?

Yes. I used to be one of the upstream maintainers until recently. :)

Might give someone the motivation to give it the bit of love it needs to get it
into a good enough state.

Umm... doesn't look like that's the case. That's why I wrote:

that interest in it from the GNOME Design Team and the rest of the
upstream GNOME community has waned in recent times.

Has the possibility of it being dropped by Fedora been raised with upstream?

I've given release team approval. We are waiting for design team approval from @aday, who has been pinged via email. We try to keep the upstream core apps synced with downstream default apps (with a few exceptions).

Might give someone the motivation to give it the bit of love it needs to get it into a good enough state.

The problem is it doesn't need a bit of love, it needs a ground-up redesign and a rethink as to how it could be a useful part of someone's workflow. And we've thus far failed to come up with anything for that.

Books is basically a "view" of Documents, and it would be nice to have a working e-reader that fits in with the rest of GNOME - all it needs is a fix of the above regression and sensible handling of page zoom (currently zooms to width but switches pages left-> right :J) - having its parent gnome-documents dropped from Fedora's default set would likely cause more stagnation.

I don't think Books is relevant to this discussion because it's not a core app and not likely to become one. (We're trying to reduce core apps.)

It's true that Documents hasn't quite found a compelling role for itself, so I think that it's fine to drop it for now.

Working group vote is not required since we've previously approved following uncontroversial upstream core app changes without voting. (If anyone wants to vote on this, please just say so.) And with approval from Allan and myself, the upstream change is approved.

Created comps merge request: https://pagure.io/fedora-comps/pull-request/355
Created upstream upstream merge request: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-build-meta/merge_requests/157

Closing.

I already have a gnome-online-accounts patch to take out the documents integration bits

Is that part necessary?

If it's dropped from GNOME Core upstream, are you intending to push that upstream too?

Or we could discuss these questions upstream since it might not be specific to Fedora.

I already have a gnome-online-accounts patch to take out the documents integration bits

Is that part necessary?

If we are going to remove gnome-documents from the default installation because of quality issues, then there's no need to have an extra Documents switch in the UI that doesn't do anything useful.

Documents didn't feel like a very popular app to me but I'm sure some people use it. If you drop the switch, will people still be able to use cloud docs in the app? (My cloud docs disappear when I turn the switch off.) In other words, when you remove the switch, will the feature be on or off?