Based on the Sig Meeting on 2024/05/13:
The Sig is planning to proceed with the following proposal from @ngompa Fedora Personal Systems Working Group (Fedora PSWG) which would be an umbrella working group intended for delivering Fedora KDE Desktop Edition and Fedora Mobile Edition. The long term goal is to become the building block for personal device appliances (e.g. Handhelds, Tablets, Phones) and for Cloud Desktop Solutions (e.g. VDI, Shells).
Fedora KDE Desktop Edition
Fedora Mobile Edition
The proposal passed with (+6, 0, -0) in the meeting (+ @farchord @aleasto @jgrulich @ngompa @tdawson @siosm ).
With this pivot, the proposal is no longer considered gated by the Workstation Working Group feedback. @tdawson and @ngompa will get together offline to begin writing the proposal. @tdawson was able to gather statistics to show KDE's elevated status from end users.
There is a deadline of F41 for having a Fedora Mobile Deliverable.
Fedora Mobile Spin
This plan is contingent on the approval of the Fedora Council once it has been submitted. The Council approved the creation of the Personal Systems Working Group (tentatively) but explicitly approved the creation of a KDE Edition. https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/504
The next part of the plan is to address the caveats provided by the council members and also create the change proposal that integrates the feedback received:
Metadata Update from @ngompa: - Issue assigned to ngompa - Issue set to the milestone: Fedora Linux 41 - Issue tagged with: meta
The more I think of it, the more I don't like that we are going for be called the "Fedora Desktop Edition". I believe if we do that, we are falling into the trap that was laid 10 years ago with the original 3 editions. Look at the stress that having "generic editions" has given the KDE SIG. We will then pass that stress on to the next desktop that wants to make it onto the front page. I propose we request our edition be called what it really is. "Fedora KDE Desktop Edition"
I'm fine with that, but then we need to push back on the generic Workstation Edition name too. As it stands, it'll just look like KDE Plasma is a weaker alternate rather than a equally valid option.
In principle, I'm okay with "Fedora KDE Plasma Desktop Edition" and "Fedora KDE Plasma Mobile Edition", but we are going to have to force the matter that desktop spins/editions cannot be generically named.
I'm good with that. As things currently stand, Fedora has created a "King of the Hill" competition with their Editions. All in the name of "less confusion" The numbers clearly show that people are coming to Fedora to get KDE. They don't seem confused to me. Maybe in the future they might be coming to Fedora to get something else, like Cosmic. Now seems like a good time to shake things up a bit, and see what works.
In principle, I'm okay with "Fedora KDE Plasma Desktop Edition" and "Fedora KDE Plasma Mobile Edition", but we are going to have to force the matter that desktop spins/editions cannot be generically named. I'm good with that. As things currently stand, Fedora has created a "King of the Hill" competition with their Editions. All in the name of "less confusion" The numbers clearly show that people are coming to Fedora to get KDE. They don't seem confused to me. Maybe in the future they might be coming to Fedora to get something else, like Cosmic. Now seems like a good time to shake things up a bit, and see what works.
If I understood Matt properly, he wanted it to be dead simple to pick an edition based on the use case. Workstation for Desktops, Servers for servers, etc etc.
If we follow with that nameset, then you are right. Fedora Workstation should be renamed to something like Fedora Gnome Workstation, and Fedora KDE Spin becomes Fedora KDE Workstation.
Problem is, if we go this route, we go against the grain. HARD. We already know the WG is 100% against that.
Metadata Update from @farchord: - Issue marked as depending on: #506
Despite it being no longer gating this particular item, Workstation WG has posted their official response: https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/425#comment-910661
Metadata Update from @ngompa: - Issue tagged with: meeting
https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/f41-change-proposal-kde-plasma-mobile-spin-and-fedora-kinoite-mobile-self-contained/120251
The spin proposal has been submitted. The change proposal still calls for an edition creation but that is down the way a little bit according to farchord / tdawson since the state of the mobile experience needs improvement
Metadata Update from @timaeos: - Issue untagged with: meeting
Metadata Update from @timaeos: - Issue tagged with: meeting
Forgot to update this tracker but the KDE Plasma Mobile Spin was approved by FESCO. Converting to edition status is for a Future Release once some of the political issues are worked through and the user experience of the mobile spin improves (e.g. specific hardware targets, use case coverage improvement, automation improvements, and QA/Testing Workflow improvements)
There is to be discussion at Flock this year between Matt and Neal about this working group
Metadata Update from @timaeos: - Issue set to the milestone: Future Release (was: Fedora Linux 41)
https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/504
Fedora Council approved the creation of the Fedora KDE Edition. There are still some open tasks that need to be addressed as noted in the caveats provided by council members.
1) Quality Bar - Fedora Council Members insisted that the quality bar for edition status be equivalent between all editions (even if that is not currently the case for editions). Essentially, there needs to be a clear scope defined for the Fedora Personal Edition 2) Marketing Story - Council members want to have an internally consistent marketing story for having this edition that doesn't result in some sort of brand dilution or end-user confusion 3) Workstation Collaboration - mattdm specifically wanted to ensure that Personal Systems Working Group included Fedora Workstation. This is probably untenable but I just want to acknowledge it as something that was requested.
Metadata Update from @timaeos: - Issue set to the milestone: Fedora Linux 42 (was: Future Release) - Issue tagged with: meeting
I think the key to developing the marketing story is leaning into the "Personal Systems" part as device targeted version of the Fedora Distribution.
My imagination jumps to something under the banner of something like "Fedora Personal Edition".
The marketing tag line for Fedora Workstation: "Fedora Workstation is a polished, easy to use operating system for laptop and desktop computers, with a complete set of tools for developers and makers of all kinds."
The marketing tag line for Fedora Personal would be something akin to: "Fedora Personal is a powerful, adaptable, and sleek operating system for personal devices with a versatile assortment of tools which evolve according to the needs of the end-user."
The emphasis of the tag line would be about the evolving and adaptable nature of the edition. It's meant as a base that personal device use-cases are built on top of. This is a subtly different paradigm than workstation and the other editions (e.g. cloud, server, iot). The "Learn More" jump page would focus on the currently targeted use-cases. There's the top-billed desktop use-case, the mobile (touch-friendly/tablet) use-case, and the eventual handheld/HTPC use case (assuming efforts to migrate bazzite efforts more upstream bear out). This aligns with the intent of bringing ARM and RISC-V devices into first class citizen status.
The "Downloads" page would focus on making these use-case images more accessible.
Since this issue is now bigger than the KDE Sig, the new Personal Systems Working Group will take over the non-KDE specific tasks.
Forwarding the discussion over to: https://pagure.io/fedora-personalsystems/wg/issue/1
Metadata Update from @ngompa: - Issue close_status updated to: Deferred to upstream - Issue marked as depending on: #506 - Issue status updated to: Closed (was: Open)
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