#162 FAS group for temporary membership
Closed: Fixed 14 days ago by ankursinha. Opened a month ago by ankursinha.

Do we need to use wikiedit or should we use the fedora-join FAS group? What are the pros and cons?

If we use wikiedit, we need to ask infra to give us admin/sponsor rights to that FAS group.


I thought about it a bit and I think maybe it's better to add everyone to the existing fedora-join FAS group along with the pagure group. The advantage of doing this is that when newcomers are ready, they then become members of the join sig by default. They get notifications for all newcomers from the "Welcome-to-Fedora" project, and hopefully they'll respond to pass on the knowledge that they picked up.

Are there any down-sides of using the fedora-join FAS group? (I can't think of any)

and hopefully they'll respond to pass on the knowledge that they picked up.

Yeah and it could facilitate interactions between newcomers.

I still think than the wikiedit group it's better if (as far I remember) don't count as a valid group for cla+1 privileges like email alias, Voting rights or fedora people space...

A new group with these characteristics will be great

A new group with these characteristics will be great

Didn't know that wikiedit doesn't count as cla+1
So, as stated by @bex in the mindshare ticket: I don't think brand new folks necessarily have to be able to edit our wiki or post to the planet before they have made some decisions about how they want to contribute. This doesn't mean that there won't be exceptions, but I think the default should be for the ticket and ML/etc. contact to help someone connect with the team they will work with, not just grant them access to resources.
So, yes, a "limited" group could be advisable.

Btw wikiedit group is only a name, ok, but it is nasty: the goal of adding a user to a group is not to edit the wiki, or at least, not only that.
IMHO adding a newcomer to the whatever group is not only to let him to do some work (in this case as the name could suggest, edit the wiki), but it is also a sign of welcome.

The FAS group is not linked to the pagure group, right?

A new group with these characteristics will be great

Didn't know that wikiedit doesn't count as cla+1

I don't think this is the case. I asked infra over IRC, and wikiedit does seem to count as +1.

So, as stated by @bex in the mindshare ticket: I don't think brand new folks necessarily have to be able to edit our wiki or post to the planet before they have made some decisions about how they want to contribute. This doesn't mean that there won't be exceptions, but I think the default should be for the ticket and ML/etc. contact to help someone connect with the team they will work with, not just grant them access to resources.
So, yes, a "limited" group could be advisable.
Btw wikiedit group is only a name, ok, but it is nasty: the goal of adding a user to a group is not to edit the wiki, or at least, not only that.
IMHO adding a newcomer to the whatever group is not only to let him to do some work (in this case as the name could suggest, edit the wiki), but it is also a sign of welcome.

Yes---it's symbolic of them becoming a part of Fedora in a way.

The FAS group is not linked to the pagure group, right?

No, not at all. The two must be updated separately. (Could be scripted to sync from time to time, but that's not needed now).

I guess there's a broader question here: why should newcomers not have voting rights or fedorapeople space? I see the security/spam/abuse aspect, but all of these people will be added by us manually, so we'll verify them.

Additionally, in the workflow, I've written: " We can add Jen to an FAS group temporarily to give her rights to edit the wiki (and create their user pages), for example. (Currently, the infra team does this via the wikiedit FAS group)." So, we don't have to add every newcomer to this FAS group. We can take it on a case by case basis and if they haven't been able to join a team and get to CLA+1 that way, we can think of adding them temporarily to the FAS group.

What do you think?

The commblog post is scheduled to be published sometime this week:
https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/?p=8223&preview=1&_ppp=0fa8698e28

I guess there's a broader question here: why should newcomers not have voting rights or fedorapeople space? I see the security/spam/abuse aspect, but all of these people will be added by us manually, so we'll verify them.

Yes indeed. There are no problems right now.
Problems could arise if people want only the resources (fedorapeople, mail alias, etc.) without really willing to join the community. But I'm not so negative.
Right now I don't see any problem.

Additionally, in the workflow, ... we can think of adding them temporarily to the FAS group.
What do you think?

Yes, it is not automatic or mandatory that everybody have to be added the FAS group.
As we have seen in the past, there are cases where it is appropriate to add someone to the FAS group, and other cases where people don't mind that, since they look to join some team (or to vanish :smile:).

The commblog post is scheduled to be published sometime this week:
https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/?p=8223&preview=1&_ppp=0fa8698e28

Great.

Lets give this 7 more days. We'll see what we think on October 8.

So, I see no real advantage of creating a new group. Let's just use fedora-join. It serves the purpose and has the additional advantage of making everyone feel like they are part of our group, not just any group.

Metadata Update from @ankursinha:
- Issue close_status updated to: Fixed
- Issue status updated to: Closed (was: Open)

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