#158 Proposal: different way to handle classrooms
Opened 11 months ago by alciregi. Modified 3 months ago

A lot of planned classrooms in a time frame (like we tried to do in the last bunch of sessions) looks compelling and professional. But it also requires a lot of efforts and work.
People is busy, we know. It is difficult to plan and coordinate instructors. It is also difficult to find instructors :-D

So, my thought is: we look for classroom ideas, we look for possible instructors. And this is the point we run a classroom as soon as the instructor is available. Without schedules, calendars, milestones. Classrooms follow an independent pace from the Fedora release cycle.
In this way we have more time to organize a classroom, and the instructor is less pressed.

What do you think?


Works for me but if there's a way to keep the momentum going, thatll be
nice---that was the primary aim of the schedule. Otherwise, very quickly,
the classroom sig is assumed to be inactive. This also prevents new people
from joining the team.

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Thanks,

Ankur

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On Mon, 26 Aug 2019, 11:12 Alessio Ciregia, pagure@pagure.io wrote:

alciregi reported a new issue against the project: Fedora-Join that you
are following:
``
A lot of planned classrooms in a time frame (like we tried to do in the
last bunch of sessions) looks compelling and professional. But it also
requires a lot of efforts and work.
People is busy, we know. It is difficult to plan and coordinate
instructors. It is also difficult to find instructors :-D

So, my thought is: we look for classroom ideas, we look for possible
instructors. And this is the point we run a classroom as soon as the
instructor is available. Without schedules, calendars, milestones.
Classrooms follow an independent pace from the Fedora release cycle.
In this way we have more time to organize a classroom, and the instructor
is less pressed.

What do you think?
``

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https://pagure.io/fedora-join/Fedora-Join/issue/158

More adaptable, +1 for this

Works for me but if there's a way to keep the momentum going, thatll be
nice---that was the primary aim of the schedule. Otherwise, very quickly,
the classroom sig is assumed to be inactive. This also prevents new people
from joining the team.

Excuse me @ankursinha but I didn't understand. 🤔
You mean that if too much time goes by between sessions, people think that classroom sig is inactive?

Yes and this has implications. For example:

  • few instructors coming forward to do sessions
  • few new contributors joining the classroom team to help
  • new community members not being aware of the existence of classroom sessions

From what I see, in volunteer teams it is most important to show consistent activity---that's what gets more people to join and then help keep the activity going. When we take long breaks:

  • we lose momentum
  • people take on new projects and assign their free time to these, which means it isn't easy for them to simply come back and start contributing again.

Yes you are right.
The fact is that, you know, it is difficult to find instructors.
Sometime we lose a potential instructor if we lose the momentum.

When we take long breaks:

Yeah! This is where my proposal come from.

I think that it is better an approach like this:
- people know that there is something called "Fedora Classrooms", that it is not something like the Magazine, where it is important to publish articles at a regular cadence [1]
- people know that if somebody has something to talk about he/she can propose a topic and propose him/herself as an instructor
- there is not a strictly schedule (that maybe doesn't fit with the instructor lifetime), the instructor can propose a date
- in the end my thought was: better a classroom once in a while when we are ready, than waiting for five or more instructors and coordinate time and efforts that can lead to long breaks

On the other hand who is willing to attend classrooms is always looking for sessions. I think that there is no problem in finding attendees.

[1] it would be nice to run a classroom every week (like podcasts), but I don't know anybody that is willing to do that :-)

Sounds good.

I'm not going to have much time for the classrooms (since I'm focussing my free time on NeuroFedora now) so whatever works for you folks is good. :)

Sounds good.
I'm not going to have much time for the classrooms (since I'm focussing my free time on NeuroFedora now) so whatever works for you folks is good. :)

OT: I know you are focused on NeuroFedora, but I hope you can continue to expose your thoughts and advices also here on Join SIG :-)

@alciregi Sounds like a great Idea, How about this in the Classroom docs we can add the Proposed Ideas for Classrooms and If someone's interested to take it as a Sensei (And earn the Badge) we can assign it to him. I loved the idea for classroom.

Having 1 Classroom every week, we would have to start by atleast setting a Goal for 2 Classrooms for a month and when someone proposes an idea, We (Join-SiG) team could search for instructors.

As I see we have alot of Classrooms Proposed which were not yet take. I guess we need to take steps to make them possible too, As ankur said after long breaks it goes inactive and we can't get much contributors to take classes.

The only issue with classrooms is the lack of teachers. We've realised that we can plan or not plan as much as we want, but the lack of teachers isn't anything we can do about it. So, until we can find ways of encouraging more community members to teach, I wouldn't put more effort into modifying the process and so on.

2 classrooms per month may sound doable, but we've struggled to find instructors to even make that happen in the past. (That was the problem we were trying to solve by asking people to make instructional videos in their free time instead of hosting real time classrooms)

The only issue with classrooms is the lack of teachers. We've realised that we can plan or not plan as much as we want, but the lack of teachers isn't anything we can do about it. So, until we can find ways of encouraging more community members to teach, I wouldn't put more effort into modifying the process and so on.
2 classrooms per month may sound doable, but we've struggled to find instructors to even make that happen in the past. (That was the problem we were trying to solve by asking people to make instructional videos in their free time instead of hosting real time classrooms)

@siddharthvipul1 What do you think?

@siddharthvipul1 What do you think?

The concerns that @ankursinha and @alciregi mention are facts so my thought is not really very different.
One particular thing I do agree heavily is to try to make it consistent be in bi-weekly or monthly.
I can add couple of my thoughts here but just a warning that many of them maybe just out of my head and I am definitely not attached to any one in particular. These might spark some ideas in others' brain.

  • have sessions in pool that can be taken care by Join sig members in case we can't find instructors to come forward with a session (like this was a pod-man session, there is no one who showed up for next session, we know that we have to do a fedora on-boarding classroom, let's plug that in and directly start looking someone for next session i.e 3 weeks later). now this has it's own problem of overloading join sig, but then again it's just an idea

  • have a list of topics we want and share it in lists to see if we have volunteers (like we want a session on podman, fedmsg?, packaging, QA, ...). get the list of interested folks and then assign them a date/time. (Good thing we want to do bi-weekly, even a couple of responses can fill the slots for months)

  • revisit old classrooms (I mean I am sure even though we have had vim/git/ansible sessions already, we can get good number of participants to join for these) and we know whom to contact for instructors or a referral.

will think more on these in free times and update if I can think of something else (or more usefull)

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