I think the empty "To" line is doing it? Can we filter these out and /dev/null them earlier somehow?
Example below.
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That is an email telling you as the list owner what it did on your behalf. Someone tried to send an email which was bounced and the email system alerted you in case it should not have been bounced. So it killed the email and sent announce-bounces+mattdm=fedoraproject.org@lists.fedoraproject.org its action.
I do not think we do much filtering on this because any filtering always ends up causing someone else to say 'that wasn't spam that was an important way I have always sent emails to XYZ list.' or 'that was a legitimate patch why did you mark it as anything else.'
That said, we need to rethink how all our mailing lists are done as the current system is running a beta and has a large technical debt. It needs a team of people to keep it working in Fedora versus the herculean work on 1-2 people.
Metadata Update from @smooge: - Issue tagged with: lists, medium-gain, medium-trouble, ops
Metadata Update from @smooge: - Issue priority set to: Waiting on Assignee (was: Needs Review)
I think we do filter these on spamassassin, but it looks like it passed though another spamassassin (which would have overwritten the headers).
Are you still getting these? Do they all lack anything in To: ?
It seems like they are bccing the list and leaving To: blank, which I suppose is valid, but anoying.
Let us know if you are still having an issue with these...
Metadata Update from @kevin: - Issue close_status updated to: Insufficient data - Issue status updated to: Closed (was: Open)
Seems to have settled down, or else my spamassassin caught on and is zapping them. Either way leaving closed is ok.
Issue status updated to: Open (was: Closed)
Issue status updated to: Closed (was: Open) Issue close_status updated to: Fixed
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