Can you get us the message-id's of the mail you have sent or some other logs from when you sent this so I can track this through the servers?

@smooge sure:

July 21 attempt from duffy {at- redhat.com:
Message-ID: 4ec06d6d-b146-7196-10c4-01b5f38f9635@redhat.com

July 23 attempt from duffy /at= redhat.com:
Message-ID: e65f19ee-06b2-0ddf-e37b-91e3b0aa2571@redhat.com

July 23 attempt from duffy `at' fedoraproject.com:
Message-ID: 1d74d64e-b585-5891-8636-ec64c6416ad9@fedoraproject.org

I didn't get any logs back.

OK something is broken with the design-list. It is discarding your email as it is marked as spam for some reason.

OK mailman3 is working as expected. Your emails are being sent as from design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org and that user is listed as being banned from sending to the list.

I don't know why either you are sending from that address or why the list is moderated to ban sending from that email, but that seems to be the reason the emails are not showing up.

@mizmo do you know who the admins for the list are so why the from design-team is blocked? If it is not meant to be and you are not an admin I can remove this and close this ticket.

@smooge I am admin for the list, but I didnt set it up to block design-team mails. Further, I'm confused bc I didnt send from design-team, I sent from duffy@.

I think @gnokii had set smtg up to block spammers at one point some time ago, but whatever is going on, it happened between July 15 and July 21.

Yeah agreed. when it comes into the outbound proxies it is from you:

Jul 21 16:35:43 smtp-mm-ib01 postfix/smtpd[14082]: 9BD6B605D2E8: client=us-smtp-delivery-1.mimecast.com[205.139.110.120]
Jul 21 16:35:43 smtp-mm-ib01 postfix/cleanup[13765]: 9BD6B605D2E8: message-id=<4ec06d6d-b146-7196-10c4-01b5f38f9635@redhat.com>
Jul 21 16:35:43 smtp-mm-ib01 postfix/qmgr[11019]: 9BD6B605D2E8: from=<duffy@redhat.com>, size=5297, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Jul 21 16:35:43 smtp-mm-ib01 postfix/smtp[13794]: 9BD6B605D2E8: to=<design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org>, relay=mailman01.vpn.fedoraproject.org[192.168.1.118]:25, delay=0.34, delays=0.21/0/0.06/0.07, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 2.0.0 Ok: queued as D91435E8A50A1)
Jul 21 16:35:43 smtp-mm-ib01 postfix/qmgr[11019]: 9BD6B605D2E8: removed

Postfix on mailman3 also says it is from duffy

Jul 21 16:35:43 mailman01 postfix/smtpd[7479]: D91435E8A50A1: client=smtp-mm-ib01.vpn.fedoraproject.org[192.168.1.83]
Jul 21 16:35:43 mailman01 postfix/cleanup[7494]: D91435E8A50A1: message-id=<4ec06d6d-b146-7196-10c4-01b5f38f9635@redhat.com>
Jul 21 16:35:43 mailman01 postfix/qmgr[27712]: D91435E8A50A1: from=<duffy@redhat.com>, size=5555, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Jul 21 16:35:44 mailman01 postfix/pipe[7564]: D91435E8A50A1: to=<design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org>, relay=spamassassin, delay=0.29, delays=0.05/0/0/0.24, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (delivered via spamassassin service)
Jul 21 16:35:44 mailman01 postfix/qmgr[27712]: D91435E8A50A1: removed

mailman3/spamassassin however either gets confused or something else is up

mailman.log:Jul 21 16:35:44 2020 (17770) DISCARD: <4ec06d6d-b146-7196-10c4-01b5f38f9635@redhat.com> {'original_size': 6078, 'listid': 'design-team.lists.fedoraproject.org', 'moderation_sender': 'design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org', 'moderation_reasons': [('Message sender {} is banned from this list', 'design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org')], 'rule_hits': ['banned-address'], '_parsemsg': False, 'rule_misses': ['dmarc-mitigation', 'no-senders', 'approved', 'emergency', 'loop'], 'to_list': True, 'lang': 'en', 'envsender': 'noreply@lists.fedoraproject.org', 'version': 3, 'received_time': datetime.datetime(2020, 7, 21, 16, 35, 44, 204444)}

The only emails getting marked like this are a bunch of definite spams and your emails.. the other ones I see going to design-team are working. Let me remove that one rule and let us see if it fixes it.

@duffy I have removed the entry. Nothing I can see has changed on configs since the move.. but mailman3 needs a major overhaul and problems are creeping in :sob:

@smooge thanks! i just did a test and it seems to be working now!! :)

@smooge oh! for that one mail that went through - i got two bounces. I wonder if @gnokii put that rule in to stop the bounces? I'm not sure why they are happening since the mail went thru??

You can see it here: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/MZWJWG4X2Y52QTP2V6TZBQJJBUJTDLBP/

No that bounceback is because someone is subscribed to the list with a @yahoo.com email address and they don't accept any emails from Fedora or many other places (unless it is real spam which they seem to accept). I can only suggest that anyone with an @yahoo.com address be unsubscribed from the list.

Can this be closed now or is there still something for us to investigate?

I'm hoping this is solved now?

If not, please reopen...