related ticket https://pagure.io/design/issue/596

@mattdm i have a lot of questions on this.

1) is silverblue replacing workstation or is workstation sticking around
2) does fedora atomic need to be removed from the website for f29?
3) can we integrate these into getfedora rather than have separate sites? (this is what i'd strongly advocate for)
4) are all 3 not yet editions? we don't actually use the term 'edition' on getfedora.org so i'm not sure that this is a huge concern from that POV, more, how much do you want to push these vs. the support they're likely to get not being 'official'
5) what is the process for them to become editions / the timeline?
6) server is sticking around right?

For a visual this is the new design I've been working on

source svg

Thanks! I hope these answers help:

1) is silverblue replacing workstation or is workstation sticking around

The intention is for it to replace workstation, but it's really quite far from ready to. Maybe a year?

2) does fedora atomic need to be removed from the website for f29?

No; the team is planning to do one more Atomic Host release.

3) can we integrate these into getfedora rather than have separate sites? (this is what i'd strongly advocate for)

Yeah, I think integration can work; I think we expect to link to (and have people find in search) the separate things on their own, rather than browsing from the front page being the only path.

4) are all 3 not yet editions? we don't actually use the term 'edition' on getfedora.org so i'm not sure that this is a huge concern from that POV, more, how much do you want to push these vs. the support they're likely to get not being 'official'
5) what is the process for them to become editions / the timeline?

Right now, the Editions are still Workstation, Server, and Atomic Host (although Atomic Host is kind of a lame duck). CoreOS will replace Atomic Host in F30. I expect we'll add IoT as an edition in either F30 or maybe F29.

6) server is sticking around right?

Yes, that one at least is consistent. :)

OK so here's how I'm reworking the mockup, with the idea that IoT could move between the groups if needed depending on where it gets

EDITIONS

workstation
server
atomic host

DEVELOPING EDITIONS

IoT
Silverblue
CoreOS

does that make sense?

@mattdm is there a logo for fedora coreos?

@duffy I'm not sure. @sanja or @dustymabe ?

here's an update of the mockup according to the above... i'm assuming the coreos logo usage is a nono and we need something there?

Here are some answers and personal opinions.

Answer regarding the logo: We're allowed to use the existing CoreOS logo for now, but only for community purposes, i.e. Fedora is fine.

Personal opinion regarding the removal of Atomic Host for F29: I'd remove it and put it under "Server" as an extra link. We don't want to make it a prominent link anymore since it's definitely going away. I'd replace the current Atomic part with a "Containers" part that links to the CoreOS, Silverblue, and new containers subdomain, or something similar. I haven't given this proper thought yet in terms of how to represent this on the main site but I can if you want me to. Or we could hop on a call this week, @duffy.

Answer regarding the look and feel: We need separate documentation because the CoreOS, containers, and Silverblue docs won't really fit into the Fedora documentation so it's best to keep them on their own subdomains. If we want to discuss this, let's do that together with the team who does documentation for Fedora because this one is tricky.

First off.. @duffy that looks amazing! very well done!

@sanja gave an answer about the logo so I trust her on that.

@sanja
Personal opinion regarding the removal of Atomic Host for F29: I'd remove it and put it under "Server" as an extra link.

I think Atomic will still be a top level edition for Fedora 29 so I'd keep it at the top.

@duffy
DEVELOPING EDITIONS

As for a CoreOS section I don't know if we will actually have anything for people to download and use for F29 (at least officially). Is it ok to just have that section point to some devel pages ?

@dustymabe I can drop the download icon and we can just have the learn more point to information about it, i think that'd be fine.

@sanja i'm pretty concerned about separating the docs out, I'm not sure who on the Fedora side to talk to about this but I'll chase it down (that they're on separate sites doesn't concern me as much as the look & feel differences / disjointed experience, which could perhaps be remedied keeping the sites separate.)

@sanja it looks like Silverblue's docs are actually integrated now unless I'm missing something?

https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora-silverblue/

Where are the containers and CoreOS ones?

Hey, @duffy - yes, we put the Silverblue docs in the Fedora documentation. Same will happen for containers and CoreOS. Here are the source repos, where I'm still working on containers and CoreOS, help always welcome:

https://pagure.io/fedora-docs/containers
https://pagure.io/fedora-docs/coreos
https://pagure.io/fedora-docs/silverblue

The corresponding subdomains are:

https://containers.fedoraproject.org/
https://coreos.fedoraproject.org/
https://silverblue.fedoraproject.org/

Keep in mind all of these are still being worked on - design is lacking/nonexistent. So if someone wants to take on the actual design work and do the CSS so it fits more within the current Fedora style, let me know.

If on the main site, we can just have the blurb with a "Learn more" button as you suggest in the mock-up above (love it by the way), then that's great.

@sanja hey wrt to containers.fedoraproject.org - what is going to live there, the content isn't filled in yet right? it's it info about stuff like crio / podman / buildah / etc.?

@duffy Disregard the containers thing - your mock-up works perfectly, the containers subdomain won't happen as Buildah and podman will be continued outside of Fedora, so no changes. The containers subdomain might be used for other stuff at some point but you don't have to account for it in your mock-ups which means your initial mock-up up there works out perfectly.

The docs stand as they are, though, as we will have documentation like Kubernetes on Fedora and similar things on there.

Some design assets related to this project:

Diagram:

Page design:

@mattdm do you know where we are with this one?

@duffy Sort of? I filed this in the websites queue with current status of editions https://pagure.io/fedora-websites/issue/946

Is @ryanlerch doing implementation?

@mattdm with the new getfedora.org launch, are we set on this one?

@duffy For now, until the IoT and CoreOS editions actually launch. And of course something else will change, because it always does.

ok cool, i'll close then, feel free to reopen or create a new ticket when something comes up again :)