#545 New Logo for Fedora Modular Server
Closed: Fixed 3 months ago by duffy. Opened 2 years ago by mattdm.

Deadline

Strict deadline of November for final release, but it'd be best to have for a beta release, which will be later than then main schedule, probably late October. And it'd be super nice to have for the actual F27 launch, and special bonus nice to have for the beta launch in two week. (But since we just thought to make this request, no problem if that's not possible.)

Size requirements in pixels if applicable

Needs to work in a variety of sizes.

If this is a logo or icon for an application

Yes. Kind of.

What application is this for?

Fedora Modular Server

Brief description of what the application does

Fedora Modular Server will replace Fedora Server as a top-level edition. It is constructed from our innovative new Modularity technology https://docs.pagure.org/modularity/. The end-user pitch is something like this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lego_Modular_Buildings — rather than just giving you individual bricks, we're giving you larger functional sets to construct solutions from — and the plan is that users can select slower-moving or more-up-to-date software for different parts of the stack depending on need.

Packager or developer contact information (IRC nick + email + wiki profile page link)

@mattdm, @sgallagh, @langdon, @asamalik, @psabata
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Server

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As above, need for a variety of situations.

Other notes

I love the existing Server logo in the context of the other editions. However, out of that context it can easily be mistaken for a "hamburger menu" as became very popular on websites and applications just about the same time it was designed. It'd be nice to have something that still fits in with Workstation and Atomic and has a similar clean appearance, while also being distinctive on its own.

We're open to your advice and creative ideas. An obvious thing to do would be to incorporate the puzzle-pieces logo from Modularity (see design ticket #495). Or, we used "Boltron" as a code name for the tech preview of this, and so something with "giant mecha-style robot with detachable parts" might be fitting.


I'd like us also to keep in mind that while Server is going to be the first to market with Modularity, it will not be the only part of the Fedora project to do so. It might be prudent to consider a design that lends itself to expanding to encompass other parts of the project.

So maybe sticking with puzzle pieces would be best, particularly since we might be able to get a decent combination of logos for all of them, eventually. (Sort of like how https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:4Foundations.png fits together, but works individually). Oh, and with puzzle-pieces, we can even print interlocking stickers.

I can't believe @sgallagh of all people is voting against robots. :crying_cat_face:

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2 years ago

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2 years ago

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2 years ago

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2 years ago

I should add: II think we want to stick to the orange color used by the current Fedora Server logo, for continuity and because it fits with the others.

Hey, I came up with three ideas for this design. Let me know if you are interested in one of them and we can make it better together.

Hmmm. I think it's hard to convey "modular" and "server" at the same time in one tiny logo.

  1. With the Lego-style bricks I have the concern that we've been saying for a while that we mean the opposite of just giving you a bag of bricks to assemble.
  2. The two puzzle pieces look more like "hey, I found these two pieces that got lost out of the box" rather than "solution assembled!". Semantically it'd be better with more pieces, but then it gets busy — and also there's not much implication of "server".
  3. With the last one, I get what's going on because I know the background, but I think without context I'd be perplexed.

@sgallagh Are you sure you don't want to see robots? :) In seriousness, that fits with Atomic as a sci-fi theme.

Hmmm. I think it's hard to convey "modular" and "server" at the same time in one tiny logo.

With the Lego-style bricks I have the concern that we've been saying for a while that we mean the opposite of just giving you a bag of bricks to assemble.

I agree, while I like the visual of this one best so far, it doesn't really say what we want it to say.

The two puzzle pieces look more like "hey, I found these two pieces that got lost out of the box" rather than "solution assembled!". Semantically it'd be better with more pieces, but then it gets busy — and also there's not much implication of "server".

Yeah, agreed. I was actually thinking about doing kind of an inverse of what we have here. Instead of an outer rectangle of color, then a circle with a puzzle logo inside it, use a puzzle piece as the outermost bit (in such a configuration that it could snap together with future Workstation and Atomic logos) and then find an icon to fit inside it that says "server".

With the last one, I get what's going on because I know the background, but I think without context I'd be perplexed.

Yes, I agree.

@sgallagh Are you sure you don't want to see robots? :) In seriousness, that fits with Atomic as a sci-fi theme.

I never said I didn't want to see robots. I said that I thought the puzzle-pieces might make for a logo that we can later expand on when it comes time to do modular Workstation and modular Atomic.

If someone wants to show me a really good logo that can express "greater than the sum of its parts", I'm open to just about anything.

Here's a mash between the traditional server 'blades' logo and @svitek 's lego mark above:

modular-server-playground.png

SOURCE

modular-server-playground.svg

Mo, how does that look if the center block has studs that line up with the outside ones? The middle one looks like it could be a submarine or something. :)Is it too busy with three studs across on each one? That's more iconic construction brick....

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2 years ago

I tried 3 across, but it looks like a castle turret.

fedora-modular_comp2.png

The two studs lined up on all the bricks looks good to me.

@mattdm is it going to be 'modular server' or just 'server' that happens to be modular?

@duffy Probably the latter, but that's something we need to get the Server WG to make a decision on, I think.

It's gonna be super-confusing for F27 as it looks like we'll continue producing what is currently Fedora Server. So I think maybe we need Modular Server for at least that release and maybe F28 too (and then we can decide after that if it's more trouble to stay or change to just bare Server).

I agree that this is a Server WG decision, though.

@mattdm I'm raising it to the WG. That said, I think I'd rather produce the current version as Fedora Server (Legacy) or some other annotation that makes it clear that it is not the preferred version at this time.

Also, we still haven't decided if that image is going to appear on any website at all; I'm personally opposed to having it show up on getfedora.org, for example. (I might be talked into including it on spins.fedoraproject.org though.)

For the record, the Server SIG made the following relevant decisions today:

  • AGREED: Server SIG agrees that we would like to avoid creating a new
    brand for the modular release. We will go with "Fedora Server
    Edition" and note that it is built from modular components in the
    descriptions. (sgallagh, 20:23:48)
  • AGREED: Fedora Server SIG will not promote the traditional server
    through any official websites. We will recommend the use of Fedora
    26 Server Edition or the generic netinstall of F27 for people who
    cannot wait for the modular release. (sgallagh, 20:30:36)

as per the design team meeting today, suggestion here is to cut the blocks from 3 to 2 because having 3 is too blocky. so i'll update this, having the logo say 'server' as it did before as per the SIG agreement and cutting it down to 2 blocks.

as per the design team meeting today, suggestion here is to cut the blocks from 3 to 2 because having 3 is too blocky. so i'll update this, having the logo say 'server' as it did before as per the SIG agreement and cutting it down to 2 blocks.

We're approaching a release candidate for the Beta. If there's going to be a new logo, we'll need to incorporate that into the fedora-logos package (replacing /usr/share/anaconda/pixmaps/server contents)

@duffy is there a finalized version and can you assist with importing it into fedora-logos?

@sgallagh What should we do with this ticket given the state of modular server at this point do you think? (Doing some ticket triage today)

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2 years ago

Unclear right now, I'm afraid. I really like the construction bricks refresh, though, and am looking for excuses to keep with it.

@duffy Given that we're dropping the "Modular" moniker but moving to a hybrid state where we have both traditional and modular packages on the system, I'd kind of like to see the Server logo just move to these construction bricks. Would it be possible for someone to take a stab at dropping "Modular" from that?

@mattdm @sgallagh cool i can redo with just server? looking at this with fresher eyes i think i want to tweak the bricks just a teensy bit (scale them down a bit relative to better match the other editions')

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2 years ago

@sgallagh @mattdm where are we at with this for F28? any changes / deadlines I should be aware of?

@sgallagh @mattdm where are we at with this for F28? any changes / deadlines I should be aware of?

It would certainly be nice to have the new logo landed before Beta Freeze. Have you got an updated version? The last message from you in this thread was "i think i want to tweak the bricks just a teensy bit (scale them down a bit relative to better match the other editions')" and we haven't seen that yet.

Yeah, I like the logo change even if we're not going Fully Modular. I'm on the fence about calling it "Modular Server" anyway.

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2 years ago

As I understand it, the plan is to use the new building brick logo but the same "Fedora Server" name.

Preview in context with other editions:
all-products_with-modular_server.svg.png

tarball of all PNGs of logo:

modular-server-logos.tar.xz

tarball of all server logos (SVG):

modular-server-logo_sources.tar.xz

I'm going to close this because I think it's done now, please feel free to reopen if needed.

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a year ago

Should this remain open until we get this logo added to the fedora-logos package? We probably want the installer images to display it.

I can take ownership of that part.

@sgallagh sure thx for taking care of pkging

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a year ago

@duffy Hmm, actually it seems that the tarball you sent me doesn't include a logo in the format that we need for anaconda: https://pagure.io/fedora-logos/raw/master/f/anaconda/server/sidebar-logo.png

Can we get that as well?

Hi,

What is the deadline?

~m

On Apr 6, 2018 at 12:38 PM, <stephen gallagher=""> wrote:

sgallagh added a new comment to an issue you are following: @duffy Hmm, actually it seems that the tarball you sent me doesn't include a logo in the format that we need for anaconda: https://pagure.io/fedora-logos/raw/master/f/anaconda/server/sidebar-logo.png Can we get that as well? To reply, visit the link below or just reply to this email https://pagure.io/design/issue/545

Final Freeze is 2018-04-17 (Tue), and I'd like to have a couple days to get it into the fedora-logos package before that if possible. Would next Friday (2018-04-13) be asking too much? If so, I can try to get approval to land it after Freeze.

Source
server-anaconda.svg

PNG
server-anaconda.png

@sgallagh let me know if this works or not!

For future needs the SVGs for the final version of the server logo are below:

server-logos-2018.tar.xz

I'm going to close this, because I think it's long done lol. Feel free to reopen if not.

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- Issue status updated to: Closed (was: Open)

3 months ago

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