#360 Telegram bot on #fedora-latam IRC channel
Closed: Fixed None Opened 7 years ago by potty.

There is a initiative going live without the consent of the region (at least not using the official methods). Itamar has configured a bot on the #fedora-latam IRC channel as a bridge with a new Telegram group (https://telegram.me/fedoralatam).

I would like this topic to be voted on regular meeting: should we keep it or not?

The idea of this ticket is to have logged the decision and do not have this done arbitrarily.

Regards!


I'd like to add it's not a Fedora or an Official initiative.

I personally support Itamar's idea of placing his bot in the public channel.

I'm always with my cellphone, even though many times I'm not at the computer. Actually, depending on where I am, even when I'm on the computer I might not be logged in in Freenode. Now, thanks to Itamar's bot, I get warned by Telegram if something nice is being discussed in #fedora-latam so that, if I really want to join the conversation, I can connect to irc and then talk.

Some people have shared the same opinion, the reason for why I think Itamar's personal bot and telegram group can help Fedora LATAM.

I have seen some concerns on the other side of the talk, that is, the telegram group. First, anyone is free to join (and automatically have access to everything that has EVER been discussed in the group). Second, I don't see much sense in Fedora meddling with it. It's Itamar's telegram group, not an officila fedora channel or something.

But if most people believe it deserves to be voted, whatever. Let's vote it. I just don't think it's something we should be wasting our time discussing.

I'm partially disagree with this initiative.

The idea is good but the way of execution is wrong. Here are my thoughts:

First, communication should be bi-directional. Right now the bot passes all IRC messages to Telegram but not vice-versa. It is not correct. It is unfair, not transparent. Telegram is having an ear over the IRC channel. By concept, you are making the IRC channel a sub-group of the Telegram group. On the Fedora Users Telegram group (https://telegram.me/fedora) they have the same bot configured on #fedora-telegram IRC channel and it works bi-directional. There are no message-flooding problems or transparency/fairness issues.

Secondly, the decision of configuring the bot on the #fedora-latam IRC channel was not made following the normal workflow (no ticket was filled, no voting was made). Regardless the simplicity of this, it is an important topic and should not override or trespass the official process for taking decisions.

Hope this clarifies things.

Regards!

I'd agree with your 100% if the Telegram group was official. But it's not. No decisions are taken there, no voting are done, no meetings held. The Telegram group is only a thing that will make contributors go to the official channel more often than they might go. I'll be less often around if, for some reason, the bot is removed, for example. So, again, I don't think Fedora has to meddle with someone else's group that is not (nor tries to be) a fedora official channel.

I also agreed with @potty, @mribeirondatas and unofficial group make desicions over an official channel with out consulting the people involve. I the bot works both way will be ok, other wise it is not transparen and fare for the people who do not want to join a telegram group and remain in IRC, specially because the telegram group do not have the same rules as the IRC and because of that people abuse it and make extreme use of the channel in the wrong way.

So unless it is set to work full both ways. I'm not in favor of that.

Replying to [comment:5 aeperezt]:

So unless it is set to work full both ways. I'm not in favor of that.
Same opinion.

I offered it before about 6 months ago, and first I asked to all team in no official telegram group so and I did not do anything with bot. Now I see the bot was installed, why someone can take the decision for me ?. I like the idea of irc relay but only if all agree that opinion. I like telegram too but have an irc relay between channel can be possible only if all agree that and if telegram can be official channel or we can discuss the better way to have it. We can do a better channel to be communicated but those kind of changes need to be aligned with all procedures of fedora and not make any action because I want to do it and doesn't matter what thinks other partners. The real problem not is irc/telegram because we can discuss it, the real problem are people taking decision for me, for entire community...

'''#fedora-latam is a public channel'''

are you aware about that ?

I am just collecting data from it, no flood, just normal usage, I don't think I need to ask permission to anyone because it's public, Did you asked permission to join this irc channel?
if not, Why I have to ?

'''The telegram part.'''

the telegram group is public too, recently created, because someone destroyed an old group,
Did they asked permission to destroy the old group ?

I have permission of the owner of the new group to post IRC messages on it, I am not forcing anyone to stay, I am going to accept suggestions about this new telegram group, but only suggestions from people that are inside of it, these people that are complaining about are not part of it, I welcome them to join and I will never kick them arbitrarily.

2016-09-17 LATAM meeting follow-up:

5 votes to KEEP the bot active.

4 votes to SHUTDOWN the bot.

2 Neutral votes suggesting that this ticket should be taken to IRC Ops, since they are responsible for the #fedora_* channels on freenode.

Please, check the meeting minutes on https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2016-09-17/fedora-latam.2016-09-17-23.00.txt

Ping. Any resolutions for this ticket yet?

People agreed. Bot is working. Let me close this ticket.

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