#49 Decision FUDCon APAC 2016
Closed: Fixed None Opened 8 years ago by gnokii.

following a conversation with Matthew I write this ticket:

The rules for choose a place to holding FUDCons says, that FAmSCo and Board or now Council have to agree to the recommendation the local Ambassadors do.
Until yet I only saw more questions which are answered and following that a discussion, if we should keep FUDCon.

Please, keep in mind how that might look to the bidders, its already the second time the cambodian community did a bid, when instead of a decision a discussion comes up to wipe it out. It might look to this community that we not want it there and we dont want cambodians in our community.

We already lost 2 months where a clear statement would have the local community enabled to work on making a successful FUDCon 2016.

It is legitimate to discuss if FUDCon is still needed in the regions but have an eye that the bid means there putting people work and effort into it, especially in this case as there was a lot of requirements the indian community wanted to see before agree to the bid.

So please go on and make a decision, to give the local community a chance to work on it.

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Bid_for_PhnomPenh_2016


Did I miss the answers to the questions Matthew asked? I don't see them in my archives, but perhaps those are incomplete. For diligence, the questions were:

  • "One detail I'm interested in is the plan for 100 attendees but travel subsidies for just 12, if I'm reading https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Bid_for_PhnomPenh_2016 right. How are those dozen selected? Are the other 88 expected to be locals, or will they be paying their own way? Is the target existing Fedora users, or new ones?"

  • "I'd also be interested in the suggestion of synergy with the Barcamp. If there's 3500-tech-interested people, why not focus on that event entirely and try to reach more than 100?"

Replying to [comment:1 jwboyer]:

Did I miss the answers to the questions Matthew asked? I don't see them in my archives, but perhaps those are incomplete. For diligence, the questions were:

yes, you did as I gave him in a phone call

  • "One detail I'm interested in is the plan for 100 attendees but travel subsidies for just 12, if I'm reading https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Bid_for_PhnomPenh_2016 right. How are those dozen selected? Are the other 88 expected to be locals, or will they be paying their own way? Is the target existing Fedora users, or new ones?"

ok first of all, exact this question was answered to Tuan 4 times and he still continued to ask it and people get bored to answer it. But now here the explanation.
What we did is just looking for the numbers of people we had at previous FUDCon and we found out it was between 40 and 80, and then we calculated simple with 100 as it easier in calculation. After we calculated all costs, we did know what is left for sponsoring travel and that is just 6k $ and my experience is that you have to calculate an average of 500$ for international travel. If there are more people travelling cheaper (bus ticket eg from Vietnam cost just 15$ 5hr trip) there is more money for the sponsoring part, the same for hotel, lunch and the other stuff which is calculated, lesser used there means more money for the travel part.

  • "I'd also be interested in the suggestion of synergy with the Barcamp. If there's 3500-tech-interested people, why not focus on that event entirely and try to reach more than 100?"

we will reach more then 100, the 100 are our own people, we will have a booth at Barcamp and our talks are open, so what you expect? that we offer people from the provinces to travel on our costs and pay them hotel? A thing I would not do, we have nt enough money for our own people, to help them with travel.
I dont know if you are familiar with the concept of an Barcamp in general, its a little bit different t what we are used to, there are only a few fixed talks when it starts, so the plan is we renting addionally room at the Barcamp venue and make our talks in there but we counting in the Barcamp schedule, getting also published on their schedule and so on, I dont know what more synergy you have in mind there, maybe you explain it to me.

ok first of all, exact this question was answered to Tuan 4 times and he still continued to ask it and people get bored to answer it.

The tone in the FUDCon meetings was much harsher, and all of this is the reason I won't be going to the FUDCon if it happens.

During the bid review meetings, we repeatedly asked the organisers to provide answers and update the bid page if they think they've answered the questions, but all we got was abrasive language and insinuations that we're trying to block the Cambodian community from moving forward or developing.

I just wish them best, and stay away from it.

3 months and no movement

n.b. this was approved at $15k as part of the general budget.

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