Ledger does not show any budget for Q2 since we are more than 30 days into the second quarter.

Budget allocations are partially done on a pre-allocation model and partially on a request model. The goal the council set forward was to align spending around the new mission statement. This has all been publicly discussed.

NA is strongly encouraged to submit budget requests. There is money for good ideas and events. I have had direct conversations with several folks in NA ambassadors including @award3535 about this. I have not seen any significant budget requests other than for DVD media.

Here is my thoughts on this problem, since the publicly discussed mission statement may not have reach out to all ambassadors, i.e. the west coast, and the folks in the midwest. Could we in NA have the links to the pages where all this is recorded so that I can put it out to the folks in FAmNA. I can guarantee that if you reach out to those who are really active in north america you will find that no one knows about the new mission statement. Was there an email sent to the ambassadors mailing list detailing this. If so you may want to resend it.

I apologize on the lack of loud communication on the mission; I'm writing a new Foundations and Mission web page, but I've been pulled in other directions.

In the meantime, please see https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/114

The only real open issue is over whether we need to call out free and open source software specifically in the statement or whether it is sufficient to have that prominently displayed in the foundations. (To reiterate, in either case we still have a strong commitment to that value as a project.)

@mattdm That has been the entire problem since us as volunteers do not always receive the intent or information from the council. Loud communications is what is required because really most of us in FAmNA are not aware of this incentive and by just updating a ledger for budget really doesn't work well for NA since events can stretch over two quarters. Implementing new ideas without really documentation is very hard for us to follow and since most of us Ambassadors' for North America are not on the council mailing list we don't see any changes to policy . We are not pointing fingers but just feel left out. As far as I knew the ledger was the common tool for budget tracking and not a request for funding tool. This would mean that a person that is planning an event for Fedora has to generate a wiki page with details, create a ticket for requesting FAmNA funding, then I have to create a ticket for the council requesting the funding, and then entering it in the ledger. Meanwhile FAmNA votes on every event to approve the requested budget amount. So that process does not really need to be in place anymore because FAmNA doesn't have any say so on what we use for funding. This process seems like a lot of work that we never had before. This also brings up a new question, why have a treasurer if tracking of funding isn't really my job anymore. When the email with the proposed events was sent (prior to FY18 budget) that included the events we desired to attend depending on the approved budget. So at this point we have no idea what and where we can attend since we do not have the ability to see what is available for funds. I get the centrally reported budget tracking idea does for the community, but on the other hand when we reach the limit of the budget and we still have planned events means that we wont be going to those events. For example right now I am being told that I exceeded the allotted budget and I need to request more, since I can only see what the 1st Quarter money was authorized with no other Quarter listed just makes no sense. As a credit card holder for Fedora this is extremely frustrating and confusing. Again, not seeing what is available to us is really confusing and turns off any event attendance for us. Events that we have successfully attended and made a valuable impression on the community is now in question. So being a treasurer now only logs the expense into a centrally located data base is really not being a treasurer but a data entry person. I am truly committed to Fedora in all aspects and have been since my involvement in the project, but making the process harder will loose a lot of good people.

@mattdm That has been the entire problem since us as volunteers do not always receive the intent or information from the council. Loud communications is what is required because really most of us in FAmNA are not aware of this incentive and by just updating a ledger for budget really doesn't work well for NA since events can stretch over two quarters. Implementing new ideas without really documentation is very hard for us to follow and since most of us Ambassadors' for North America are not on the council mailing list we don't see any changes to policy .

As a primary face for promoting and distributing Fedora, don't you view the fact that you are not on the council mailing list as a major problem? How can you accurately promote Fedora and the areas it is headed if you aren't even subscribed to the overall direction setting discussion forum?

@jwboyer r If I was to be part of every mailing list I would never get anything done. I am part of FAmSCO mailing list and do read the logs from that group which should have given me a direction to look but there was nothing. This also stems from regional leaders should have been clued in with this fact.
I also noted that you are not listed as an ambassador but part of the council so where are the members of the mailing lists so that I can ensure NA regional leadership are on that list. I just added myself to the list. This has been one of the biggest issues NA has been dealing with. With the several changes with project leader from Ruth, Remy, and now Bex, us VOLUNTEERS need a little pointing in the direction of where we are moving. So I am going to put this right back in you lap and ask why the invite to FAmNA regional leaders to be part of the councils mailing list? And as a courtesy maybe include the Ambassadors mailing list as part of the council mailing list.
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Budgets for FY18 have been allocated in #120 and posted.

Non-budget direct questions should be asked in a separate issue. Remember that additional funds are available through the council.

Closing given time since last comment.